When Chris Brown performed at the Grammys on Sunday he caused a bit of a stir because a lot of people are still very uncomfortable with him since the whole Rihanna beating incident. We heard a couple of weeks ago that he was on the performance list, and a lot of Pink readers were dismayed and disappointed. It didn’t help that last week we heard that Chris was told by the courts that needs to stay under the watchful eye of his probation officer as he completes the remainder of his sentence. When the RUMORS started a couple of weeks ago that Chris and Rihanna have been hooking up the past couple of months (none of which were ever confirmed) the comments out there sent a pretty clear message – ‘How could she? Once a hitter is always a hitter’. It seems to me that most people cannot forgive the unspeakable thing that Chris did to his then girlfriend (almost 3 years ago). A lot of people seemed to feel the same way about him being back on the Grammys stage. The Executive Producer explains why they invited Chris back…
Brown performed twice on Sunday’s show and even won an award. In the aftermath of the Grammy Awards executive decision to have Chris Brown perform at this years show many people were confused about the decision. Grammy Awards executive producer Ken Ehrlich spoke to ABC News Radio a few days before Chris took to the stage to explain why they did in fact invite Chris back.
“We’re glad to have him back…I think people deserve a second chance, you know?…What he’s done and what he’s done to reclaim his career and seemingly the kind of person that he has become makes him — I don’t even want to use the word eligible — but you know, it’s time. [He] has not been on the Grammys for the past few years….because it may have taken us a while to kind of get over the fact that we were the victim of what happened.”
Woah…ok, when I read this I had a very strong reaction which is why I wanted to share it with you all. Personally I am horrified that the Grammy organizers can ‘forgive’ something as horrific as domestic violence. I also think that implying that ‘we’ are the victims of what happened, as opposed to Rihanna, is stupid and ludicrous. I have no time for Chris Brown and what he did sends chills down my spine, but I do know that this issue is complex and filled with shades of gray. There is certainly no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ answer here. There will be people out there (like Ken) who believe that Chris deserves a “second chance” and that “it’s time” to forgive and move on, which is basically what Ken has said. I also know though that there will be a lot of people that feel VERY differently. Chris beat his girlfriend and was sentenced to five years probation and to stay away from Rihanna. He has apologized publicly and is doing his community service, but domestic violence of any kind is not something our society takes lightly. It is serious and the consequences are devastating and far reaching.
A lot of people were disappointed that he performed at the Grammys for this reason. Country Singer Miranda Lambert tweeted after the show, “Chris Brown twice? I don’t get it…He beat on a girl. Not cool that we act like that didn’t happen.”
Of course I know there are people out there on both sides of the argument,it’s a hard one. Do you think that Chris should have been invited to perform at the Grammys this year?
I get that “everyone deserves a second chance” mentality, but I tend to go more with the “your actions have consequences” thought. For most of us, the thought of potential consequence is what keeps us from just going out and doing whatever we want to do. Chris Brown had the same choice. He knew that what he was doing was wrong and that there would be consequences and he still chose to do it. Having grown up living with a physically abusive step dad for several years (until they finally separated), I know first hand that these people very rarely change. If he got mad enough to hit a woman once, chances are, it will happen again.
What’s worse, he apparently hasn’t learned a thing, or gotten any better at controlling his anger, what with tossing a chair out the WINDOW of the studio of Good Morning America. This is not a repentant man, this is a man who is consistently flaunting the fact that he gets away with bad behavior.
Why did he perform twice? There wasn’t any other performer in the audience that would have performed? It’s disgusting, and way to send the message to girls that people will never really be held accountable for beating women.
I think his attitude & the tweet he sent after winning proves he has not changed. I would love for him to just go away but unfortunately I don’t see that happening.
OMG…did Erlich SERIOUSLY just say that…THE GRAMMYS…were the “VICTIM” of the Chris Brown/Rihanna altercation?
SERIOUSLY???
I might have to boycott the Grammys for as long as this yutz is involved. Until he can produce medical evidence of “the Grammys” having been bloodied, battered, bruised, and beaten…I think I’ll go ahead and remember poor RIHANNA as the “victim” here.
I am just in shock that he has said this!
I cannot believe he hasn’t been called out on that comment. “Yeah, Rihanna got hit, but we were the victim”…What the HELL is that?? Awful, awful, awful thing to say.
I wish he’d go away. I don’t like his attitude or his music. I am disappointed in the Grammy’s for their quote, their actions and i wish I’d boycotted the whole thing.
Also- I would love to know what Robin Roberts has to say about how much Chris Brown has “changed”. Throwing a chair through a glass window because you don’t want to answer a **PRE APPROVED BY YOUR DUMB ASS** question?
He hasn’t changed. His angry, haughty tweets after the Grammys are further evidence that he’s the same thing now as when his strong fist connected to Rihanna’s delicate face again and again:
A punk, a loser, a user, an ABUSER.
I’m not discounting second or third or fourth chances. Sometimes people really do change. But Chris Brown’s words and actions show that he is stagnating in the same pool of disgusting misogyny he wallowed in three years ago.
You took the words right out of my mouth. He acts as if he DESERVES a second chance and that he is demanding it from everyone else. Is this the attitude of an abuser who has changed and truly feel sorry for what he did? I think not!
@loriannakim — What he deserves is a jail cell. I loathe his vile ass entirely. What a p.o.s.
http://hellogiggles.com/im-not-okay-with-chris-brown-performing-at-the-grammys-and-im-not-sure-why-you-are
read this amazing article. it pretty much explains why this whole situation is plain wrong.
Trent, your constant support of victims of violence just makes me want to hug you so much. THANK YOU for not holding back. THANK YOU for standing up for what’s right, even if some readers disagree. Your courage and passion for justice is truly impressive…and touching. Thank you.
“both sides of the argument” — there’s no argument! He’s a racist, homophobic, and an abuser. And no, there are no “shades of gray.” I can’t believe you would even write that. :( Why not talk to the thousands of women who die each year from domestic abuse, about the “shades of gray” that exist from them being killed by the guys who were “working out their problems.” The Grammys producers just wanted ratings and wanted people to talk about their show after the fact.
Any thoughts about him maybe deserving a “second chance” on the Grammy’s stage were shot to hell when he tweeted “HATE ALL U WANT BECUZ I GOT A GRAMMY Now! That’s the ultimate F*CK OFF.” What a classy, classy guy!
This Ehrlich guy is just as big an idiot as Chris Brown for saying that. When I heard he would be performing I was THIS close to tuning OUT. I don’t think any of his actions since he beat the hell out of Rihanna have shown he has grown. Throwing chairs out of windows, his many homophobic slurs, his tweet after the Grammy’s…proof that he is still an immature, rage filled MORON.
To me, he lost any chance of a second chance when his hands first hit Rihanna. Not to mention all of the other shenanigans he’s been up to since that night
I believe in second chances when the person who is getting the second chance has proven they are repentant and willing to change. Chris Brown has shown neither, he acts like a spoilt whiney brat, as if the whole world is against him for no reason. There is a reason….he beat the crap out of a woman and has shown no remorse.
I completely agree. If he hadn’t thrown a chair while on Good Morning America, I might be able to forgive him. If he had partnered with domestic violence organizations and spoke out clearly that beating someone is WRONG, I might have forgiven him.
The thing is, his crime was a very serious thing that will follow him all of his life. He needs to get used to it. He showed his weakness, and again on GMA…he can’t control his temper. People will FOREVER be testing that temper, baiting him to get out of control again.
Or, if he had tweeted something along the lines of “It’s never okay to hit or be hit” after countless girls were tweeting, “I would let Chris Brown hit me.” after his performance. He has not changed. At all.
When he performed I changed the channel! I couldnt bare to see him! Plus the little bit that I caught of his performance was mediocre at best, and I didnt like the performance at all. Was also shocked and disappointed that he won a grammy that night…..but then again i shouldnt be surprised as the winner in that category(r&b album) usually goes to the most popular nomiated singer.
*would also love if he stopped wearing tight pants…incredbily unflattering! not cute!
I don’t mind that he won a Grammy, thats not given based on his personal life but I was a little surprised that he was asked to perform. But, he’s doing what he is legally obligated to do with the community service and probation. Maybe those in charge of the Grammy’s assumed we’d all be ok with his performing because Rhianna still hangs out with him some and his album was a #1 album, maybe? People are saying with their wallets that he was ok
Personally, I will never be able to look at Chris Brown without thinking about domestic violence.
And furthermore, if he was really sorry and wanted to prove himself, then why has he taken on this “urban badass” attitude? I’m so glad miranda lambert called the grammys out.
And his “team breazy” thinks he’s the best thing since The Beatles. Makes me question the sanity of today’s generation
I already don’t watch the Grammy’s but I definitely never will with this douchebag running things. It’s outrageously offensive that they would dare think they’re the victims of this whole situation. Ridiculous!
I dont like Chris Brown for what he did… But in all honesty Miranda Lambert is no one to be calling him out.. wasnt she the one who was sleeping with a married man and broke up the marriage?? if we are going to sit here and prosecute Brown then lets be fair all across the board!
Now having him perform at the Grammys may not have been the best idead but I am thinking that they figured if Rihanna is okay with him then why not… its kind to keep fighting against him when you see things like this.. http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzdynm1uvx1r71wm1o1_500.jpg
I do want to make it clear that I am NOT defending Chris Brown! or anyone of his like.
that had to be photoshopped.theres no way either of them would let them get photographed together like that
I truly hope so..
@Viri — “But in all honesty Miranda Lambert is no one to be calling him out” I disagree. Any person who abhors domestic violence has the right to speak out. I wish more people would speak out against this kind of violence. If domestic violence wasn’t a matter that is so easily brushed under the rug, I suspect a lot of people would avoid being assaulted.
Because sleeping with a married man is the same as putting someone in the hospital……
It should be really easy to “fight against him” because he beat Rihanna bad enough to put her in the hospital. Lots of abused women go back, that doesn’t make the abuser worthy of everyone’s approval once more.
My point was if we are going to be critical of someone then lets be fair and do it all across the board!
That is all. Like I said I am not defending Chris Brown for what he did. I too was in an abusive relationship. I know what it is to go through what she did. I too got black eyes and a bloody nose constantly. I moved on and so has she.
He is perform and whether we like it or not he isnt going away. Will I go buy his album no, will I watch any movie he is in? no!
I just think we need to be fair all around. There are many celebreties who stand up there having done alot bad things and no one get the backlash that he does.
That is all!!!
@ Viri: are you associating adultery on the same level as PHYSICAL ASSAULT? I’m sorry but i can’t… adultery isn’t a criminal behaviour. it doesn’t threaten someones life. get a grip, girl.
Actually, I think it is pretty clear that Rihanna hasn’t moved on. I fully believe they are back together, if they ever broke up in the first place.
*Ahem* FIRST OF ALL here is the REAL person Rhianna was cuddling on in that so called picture you posted…
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/rihanna-wears-a-sexy-slashed-giorgio-683058
just scroll down a bit and you will see Ri-Ri cuddling up to bestie Katy Perry…
SECOND OF ALL: BLAKE SHELTON DID NOT HAVE AN AFFAIR WITH MIRANDA LAMBERT!!! They did indeed meet and sin a duet while he was married, but his ex wil be the first to tell you that the marriage was NOT working out, and that he and Miranda did feel a “connection”….but NOTHING happened until a YEAR after they met AFTER he divorced his wife. Ive watched numerous interviews with both of them AND his ex wife. So get your facts straight before you blast someones repuation…..
kthanksbyeeee
@Viri-
No one is perfect. We have all made mistakes. An affair does not deserve the same kind of backlash that putting your girlfriend in the hospital does. Plus, her affair(whether there was one or not) isn’t what this feed is about. I am not going to sit around criticizing the wrongs everyone in Hollywood has done.
What I will gladly sit around and criticize is a wrong that put someone in the hospital. A wrong that effects society and the minds of young women and girls watching it play out in the media. A wrong that sends a dangerous and hopeless message to women who have had a person they thought loved them repeatedly force their fist into their face because they couldn’t control their own anger.
LOl i am just posting a pic that I saw online.. dont need to get worked up on that… I am not the one who photoshoped th picture and if you read the comment below that states they think it was photoshopped i said i hoped it was…
on your second of all… if you read it correctly it was a question… “wasnt she the one who was sleeping with a married man and broke up the marriage??”
i didnt even know who she was until recently and there were accusation made.. i simply asked…and i truly dont think my question or as you said “my facts” will ruin her reputation if like you said there have been many interviews then they will simply be dissmissed.
Now Manderz you can take a deep breath as I hope this has clarified what I meant.
@Viri- So your point is we should criticize everyone across the board fairly and to prove your point you use the example of an affair you aren’t sure actually happened and a photo-shopped picture that someone else had to point out to you was a fraud? Viri, come on.
Like I said, before no one is perfect. We have all made mistakes. Krissy you are absolutely right! An affair does not deserve the same kind of backlash that putting your girlfriend in the hospital does.
An affair is not a wrongdoing that effects society and the minds of young women and girls watching it play out in the media or sends a dangerous and hopeless message to women who have had a person they thought loved them repeatedly force their fist into their face because they couldn’t control their own anger.
@Viri- So your point is everyone should be condemned fairly and to make your point you used an affair you aren’t sure even happened and a photo-shop picture that someone else had to tell you was photo-shopped? Viri. Come on. Even if any of that is true that is a weak argument to make
Krissy you are exactly right.
Like I said above, an affair does not deserve the same kind of backlash that actually putting your girlfriend in the hospital does. An affair is not a wrongdoing that put someone in the hospital or effects society and the minds of young women and girls watching it play out in the media or a wrong that sends a dangerous and hopeless message to women who have had a person they thought loved them repeatedly force their fist into their face because they couldn’t control their own anger.
I don’t think your accusations of Miranda and Blake are true, but even if it was…cheating is no where near the offense that beating someone is! First of all, cheating isn’t a crime! You can’t kill someone from cheating! Cheating doesn’t make a young woman pass out from lack of oxegyn!
I not saying it is the same thing.. at all.. what I am saying is that if we are going to comdemm someone do it faily all across the board! Geez!!!
Look at Michael Vick he commited a crime and no one seems to care so much … why because it was on animals? he came back with even bigger endorsments!
I wasnt trying to defend him I was simply saying lets get all worked up about everyone else who have made HUGE mistakes… if people took the time to actually read a comment rather to jump to their own conclusions then people would understand that.
By saying that these people should be condemned “fairly”, what you are saying is that they should be treated equally. These actions were not equal.
Secondly, how can you say “no one seemed to care” about Michael Vick? He gets raked over the coals in public forums. The thing that Vick did, that Brown has not, was partner with organizations related to his crime. He worked with the Humane Society. He spoke to school children about his crimes and why they were so wrong. Chris Brown doesn’t have the courage to partner with organizations that work on preventing domestic violence.
Michael Vick got jail-time, lost his endorsements, and was a pariah for a long time. He isn’t and wasn’t walking around like everyone else was the one with the problem and I think that is a large part of why a lot of people have written Chris Brown off.
Vick is part of an anti-animal cruelty organization. Chris Brown throws chairs through glass when people ask him about what he did instead of using it as a platform to admit his wrongdoing and send a positive message.
He can’t even take a minute to write a song about his wrong doings or about women respecting themselves. Instead he tweets a giant f*ck you to the people who see right through him.
We’ve read all your posts. At least I have. When someone makes a HUGE mistake I do get worked up. This isn’t about other people’s huge mistakes though. This is about Chris Brown.
No Miranda is the perfect one to take on Chris Brown. You can spread lies about her all you want but here are some facts. Her family took in battered women and their kids while she was growing up. She saw first hand what domestic violence can do and she is BRAVE enough to speak out when others won’t!
You people disgust me. You act like He should be exiled because he made a mistake. Only God can judge. Rihanna even said people need to move on from it. The Grammys acknowledges your creative and artisitc musical accomplishments not your personal character. I thought Our country stood for democracy, change, and opportunity. People make mistakes and should not have to pay for them for the rest of their lives. And if we’re going to talk about domestic violence lets talk about it as a whole not just when a man beats a woman . A woman has no right to put her hands on a man either. Nobody had anything to say when Amy Whinehouse, a self proclaimed drug addict and alcohol, performed and won several Grammys a few years ago. So it’s ok to acknowledge that behavior and lifestyle?
That was the point I was trying to make..
Well said Maud
@Maud — “Only God can judge” This is a ridiculous statement. Our justice system judges people every day. Chris Brown managed to get away with violent assault with a slap on the wrist and no remorse in his heart. If people want to be disgusted by his abhorrent behavior, they absolutely can. People do make mistakes, that is very true. But in my personal opinion, only those who are truly sorry for their mistakes — who make great pains to correct their mistakes — deserve to be forgiven. Chris Brown has shown no signs of that kind of behavior. He is a vile person.
And if you are truly “disgusted” by the comments on this post and yet are not disgusted by Chris Brown’s actions, then I truly feel sorry for you.
Well said Trent!
Go Trent Go! You nailed it.
God Bless America, this is the most obvious point ever, and thank you, Trent, for making it. “Only God can judge” has to be one of the most ridiculous debate points in the history of debate.
So you are “disgusted” by people expressing their opinions on a message board, but you are NOT disgusted by a man who beats a woman and chokes her until she passes out? Forgiveness is a powerful thing, but it loses its power when it is given when undeserved. Chris Brown has REPEATEDLY shown that he has no remorse for what he has done. He threw a chair through a window for goodness sakes! That is not the action of a man who has learned to express anger without violence.
I agree with this (religious connotation aside). I think it is wrong for us to pick and choose which wrong doings we are going to forgive. Yes, Chris Brown did a terrible thing — I think we can ALL agree on that. But how long are we supposed to shit on him for it? I think the point has been made. He’s not continuing to physically abuse women.
What about Kobe Bryant? Or R.Kelly? People aren’t up in arms every time one of them steps out in public.
Or the countless DUI’s in Hollywood?
Wrong is wrong. We either need to stick to that or learn to forgive.
@danielle
When was the last time you saw R.Kelly do anything? Both him and Kobe Bryant will forever be associated with their disgusting actions.
No one here shrugs it off when anyone gets a DUI.
If by your words “Wrong is wrong” were true, every crime would be given the same sentence. Do you think a murderer or a child molester should get the same amount of jailtime as someone who gets caught with a little bit of weed?
It is clear that the “man” is not sorry, still has violent tendencies(throwing the glass threw the window at that interview), and doesn’t give a f*ck what anyone including his impressionable fans think as long as he’s “gettin’ paper.”
It’s not about forgiveness, not for me. It’s about this society rewarding horrid behavior because he can sing and dance well. It’s about his young female fans joking about a terrifying moment of Rihanna’s life that could have cost her her life and CB staying silent.
This feed is about Chris Brown’s wrongs, not everyone elses in Hollywood.
@Elle Actually, R.Kelly sang a duet on the finale of X Factor so… the last time I saw him was about a month ago. *Shrug*
As far as Chris Brown “still” having violent tendencies… the GMA interview was a year ago. Perhaps you have a more recent example?
Also, he “doesn’t give a fuck what anyone including his impressionable fans think”…? What makes you think that? And should he? Do you care about what everyone thinks about you? I, for one, wouldn’t give a fuck about the people constantly harping on me for one (albeit large) mistake.
i had no issue with him winning and performing. the grammys have nothing to do with her personal life – and with his last album it was well deserved.
but this guy saying the grammys were the victims? lord he would have been better off keeping his mouth shut
Trent – how do you know he’s not sorry? Because he hasnt met your criteria/standards for what is considered remorseful? Change is not something that happens over night and it’s even harder when you’re constantly being criticized and ridiculed.
If he had truly changed he wouldn’t have made that kind of comment on twitter after winning a grammy.
@Maud — I refuse to argue with anyone about Chris Brown. IMHO, he isn’t worth the time. All I can say is that I honestly pity anyone who can downplay violent behavior.
@MAUD-
He tweeted, “HATE ALL U WANT BECUZ I GOT A GRAMMY Now! That’s the ultimate F*CK OFF.”
Does that seem like he’s sorry to you? Sorry for himself maybe and feels justified now that he has a Grammy and we can all f*ck off.
That beating didn’t happen last night. He has had quite a bit of time to understand the severity of his actions. If he truly grasped what he did, he’d understand the criticism and the ridicule. There is not humility, there is just him giving us a giant middle finger for being disgusted with his actions and attitude.
Um, throwing a chair through a window because you are mad at the words that came from a woman’s mouth shows that he hasn’t changed. His actions speak VOLUMES.
@Maud:
Ok, i hope my point gets across. here goes..
Chris Brown is the person who broke the law and physically assaulted a woman. Chris Brown was the abuser. He’s claiming, indirectly, thats he’s changed and to lay off him. However, if he was truly an abuser who went through the necessary steps, like therapy, to get better, he would have had to understood the severity of the situation at one point, right? For example, if someone is depressed, for them to get better they need to realize the extent of the severity of their problem. Now, being an abuser is not a mental disorder, but it is DEFINITELY a symptom of something deeper. And chris brown, as a child, lived with a violent father. he has obvious issues that needed to be dealt with. So for him to claim that he’s better, he would have had to have experienced an epiphany, a realization of how important this situation is. But, by Chris Brwon getting angry at the media and playing a victim, it shows he never really went through that realization stage. If he did, he would, instead of getting angry, talk about the issue and be public about it and be okay with it being part of his past because its such a serious issue. now, you guys could go and argue why does he have to speak out against it? well he doesn’t. but he also doesn’t need to get all bitchy and victimizing either. Either DO nothing chris OR talk about the issue like a mature adult and SHOW the ppl that you understand the issue. cuz his actions and words show that he doesn’t.
Trent have you seen this?
http://jezebel.com/5884620/violent-lothario-chris-brown-spawns-worst-twitter-trend-ever
It is so incredibly disturbing and disgusting. I don’t think this society takes domestic violence seriously enough if girls are tweeting things like this and celebrities get probation instead of jail-time for putting someone in the hospital.
Also anyone else think this wouldn’t be happening if he had beat up Taylor Swift?
Are you implying this is racial, on top of just being absolutely appalling?
Actually, you may have a point. Jesse James is a full on outcast, and all he did is cheat…a lot, on America’s Sweetheart.
@ChristinaLA-
Yeah I am. Just think about it. I’ve read people saying Rihanna probably deserved it or is too feisty and Chris snapped. Black women are often portrayed in the media as rather hard and full of attitude and while it’s unspoken I truly feel black women and white women are not on even playing fields. If a black woman gets hit it’s because she deserved it. If a white woman gets hit, especially by a black man…he’s finished. I just think this situation would have played out a lot differently if the victim was not a black woman.
This is just my opinion as a black woman myself. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me and I am SO glad to see this feed full of GOOD people standing up and saying what Chris Brown did is wrong.
Also, I’ve noticed a lot of the people defending Chris Brown on the internet are either men or black women. There’s a culture of misogyny in some black music and entertainment that makes it seem like it’s okay for women to be treated as objects and further more deserve a slap if they piss you off enough. It pisses me off to no end that Chris Brown is obviously not sorry and has not spoken out to all his female fans who think getting beaten up is some sort of joke and that beating someone up is okay as long as you think they’re hot.
@Elle-
I agree with you, and very well said. It reminds me a bit of when Bobby Brown was arrested for beating Whitney Houston, and she eventually refused to press charges against him, or fully recanted, I can’t recall the details now. There were A LOT of arguments made around that time that, “Whitney probably gave as good as she got!”, which just made me furious. Even IF a woman has a strong personality, that doesn’t begin to justify domestic abuse.
Domestic abuse is never okay, period.
Trent – I respect your opinion and in no way do I support violence, but people deserve a second chance. I do believe people deserve consequences for their actions but there does come a time to move one. The way people are acting is as if the man doesn’t deserve to live
Well that’s the thing. A second chance is something you have to *deserve*. Whenever, however, did he prove he deserved that second chance ? Are we just supposed to wipe it all clean and shiny just because and move on as you say ?
There are no signs whatsoever that he’s reformed or even acknowledged that he did something wrong, let alone atoned for it. Repenting for domestic violence would go a long way to restoring his credibility. So far there’s been nothing.
If he hadn’t thrown a chair through the window at Good Morning America, you might have a point. But he has repeatedly shown that he STILL can’t manage his anger without resorting to violence.
This exactly. The guy has shown NO sign of changing or even wanting to.
Are you suggesting that he has done ONE thing to indicate that he has changed? Name just one, please. Not get caught beating another woman…yet, doesn’t count.
I have often though if there were video of that fight with Chris and Rihanna his career would be Over and No One would stand up for him same thing with Michael Vick.
Michael Vick still has a career. And he got back some of his endorsements. It doesn’t mean everyone still didn’t laugh and yell karma when he broke his hand though.
Michael Vick also partnered with animal groups and spoke out against animal mistreatment. Chris Brown has done nothing to make it clear that violence against women is wrong.
@Krissy-Exactly. Vick went to prison for his crimes against dogs. Chris Brown went jet-skiing after getting probation for putting another human being in the hospital. Vick made an effort that CB didn’t. Did he write a song about how you should respect women, about how he was wrong and sorry? Nope. He wrote “Look At Me Now.”
He sickens me to my stomach, having witnessed domestic violence i feel very strongly about this, the fact is it seems he is MORE arrogant and aggressive than before and hasn’t turned over a new leaf for shit, and what worries and angers me more than him is the rumor that Rihanna is back with him- if that’s true then she’s just as disgraceful
Omg @ those fucking dumb bitches saying “you can beat me all you want Chris” I fucking CANT.
YES!!!! DISGUSTING!!!!
I sincerely hope they are never in an abusive relationship
Sadly, I think they are ripe for the picking for an abusive relationship. No woman with an OUNCE of self-esteem would ever write that. I have heard the, “they are just joking” excuse all over television. Nope, there is no woman on the planet who actually values her self-worth that is laughing about domestic abuse, none.
@ChristinaLA Unfortunately, this is where jokes are taken nowadays. I do honestly think some of them were joking. I think it’s pretty generalized to say “No woman with an OUNCE of self-esteem would ever write that”. I’ve heard the “rape” joke a ton as well. Some people just have that type of sense of humor.
Exactly Krissy! Part of me thinks he probably doesn’t think its wrong what a fucking nasty individual.
You go Krissy Coco!
Lol, thank you! It is good to see people standing up against domestic violence!
@Maud wat u smokin gorl?
I believe I stated in plain English that I am not an advocate of violence I just wish domestic violence was discussed in full not only pertaining to women as the victim. That’s only one side of it. A woman has no right to put her hands on man either.
That’s true, domestic violence is wrong either way. If Rihanna did actually break dishes off his head (all night uh huh i aint gon’ stop until i see police lights) im sure she would be in the same position as him.
But again, he’s done JACK SHIT to show he’s got some remorse or humility or a fucking backbone. He’s an asshole, period- “U MAD COZ I GOT GRAMMY” is the best response he could come up with, not “guys im truly sorry for what i’ve done and i’ve taken steps to get help BLAH BLAH BLAH” he’s SO arrogant that he couldnt even be bothered to come up with fake PR at least
Wherever did you read that that “man” has been beaten up by a woman ?
And again, sorry but I think you confuse “moving on” and “forgiving”.
@Isabelle-
Abuse can actually go both ways. You don’t hearing about men getting abused by women because it isn’t reported as often because some people still think it isn’t possible for a woman to over-power a man.
Maud, just because every side isn’t discussed doesn’t mean none of the sides should be discussed.
Elle, I’m very aware of the facts, I was only referring to Brown.
@Isabelle-Gotcha. Misread the post. :)
Trent I read your page almost everyday and have always appreciatd your balance to every topic. Personally being a part of domestic violance I must say that the public really need to take a step back. Chris brown has made peace with rihanna and she has forgiven him and moved on. This young man made a mistake once and has not since then and even before he can truely move on and be a better man everyone wants to criticize and hold him back. People are so quick to judge and so slow to forgive and help make things better. I mean truly do these people want him to suffer and loose everything for a mistake in justdgement. I forgave my attacker for seld healing and inner stength and now after 15 years we are friends and he is a great husband and father no violance.
@Melanie-Did you know there are young women out there twittering that they would let Chris Brown beat them? I am all for forgiveness but this situation has created an opportunity to truly speak about domestic violence. The fact that there are women out there who think it’s okay to joke about getting beaten means it needs to be talked about.
How are we the ones keeping him from being a better person? How are we keeping him from attending anger management or writing a song that speaks to how sorry he is or speaking out about domestic violence?
The guy just won a Grammy and thinks we should all f*ck ourselves so I think…I THINK he’s okay.
That is very nice that you and your abuser are friends now and he is such a great guy, but I’m guessing he did the work he needed to do to learn how to control his anger.
Chris Brown doesn’t seem to be doing the work.
“This young man made a mistake once and has not since then”
This is whitewashing history. He threw a chair through a window when a female reporter asked him a question he didn’t like. He has not shown that he can control his anger.
“Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.’s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness.”
NO woman or man should have to go through this. Nothing in his behaviour indicates this has changed.
Melanie – your comment is the best one out of all posts written. Well said.
I really hope you don’t have a daughter.
I find it disgusting that the grammy’s can “forgive” Chris Brown and invite him back and Janet Jackson was BANNED because of the stupid super bowl incident.
I was absolutely disgusted the Grammy’s chose to have Chris Brown perform not once, but twice. And to put Rihanna in the position of having to watch her abuser? Unconscionable.
are you kidding? i’d bet my life it wasnt uncomfortable for her at all. this is a women whos openly said she loved chris’s new album – she supports him and his career in every way. and now its being reported that its Chris on the Birthday Cake remix
http://www.billboard.com/column/the-juice/report-rihanna-and-chris-brown-reunite-on-1006213152.story#/column/the-juice/report-rihanna-and-chris-brown-reunite-on-1006213152.story
lets face it – it doesnt matter if you like him or hate him, odds are good within the next 5 years (probably not that long) they’ll be back together publicly
how’s this for uncomfortable: “Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.’s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle. Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, ‘I’m going to beat the sh– out of you when we get home! You wait and see!’ http://gossipoverload.com/2012/02/disturbing-details-about-chris-brown-abuse-released-today/
Odds are that in the next 5 years his rage will result in violent actions yet again (See Good Morning America chair throwing).
I’m sick of hearing the comments about abuse against Men and using that as an excuse. I will say, yes that is definitely wrong as well. But honestly, and be honest, not just someone trying to defend this douche – how can a woman slapping a man across his face if he says something disgusting, disrespectful or did something terrible, be as bad as a man belting a woman in the face repeatedly and threatening her life?
Majority of this incident is rumours, especially the Rihanna slapping Chris. Rumours that it began over txt messaging other girls. NOW if that was true and the argument began and she slapped him – it does not give him the right to hit back. I can see the point some are trying to make – but at the end of the day, most men can overpower a woman and in this case, he did. I cannot stress more, either party hitting the other is wrong – but he is the one to blame and Rihanna is the victim 110%. Not all men are in some relationships and when the opposite occurs, the tables are turned obviously.
Either way, the guy is still a douche. He cannot take any responsibility. He uses a Twitter account to tell people to move on and get over it. He accepted no real punishment for his lessons. He talks about girls like they’re dogs still and continues to be a massive sleaze. If he really wanted public forgiveness like he says he wants – he wouldn’t write the albums he creates. He would speak more on the matter and not react to the comments on the internet. Some can get outta line – but even though the public weren’t the victims, we have every right to speak out on the matter. He is a dangerous man to the public. He would allow interview and journos to ask questions he feels uncomfortable answering to SHOW he willing to accept the consequence of his actions and willing to move forward to mature and respectful way. But he isn’t.
Once it publicly comes to light she is seeing him as friends or whatever, she is going to lose a lot of respect. Sure I’m all for forgiveness, only if that person can prove themselves. He may have to her, but for his position as a celebrity, he hasn’t to the public.
Rihanna is just like omg SO smart :/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2102277/Chris-Brown-tried-force-party-goers-sign-confidentiality-agreements-Rihannas-birthday-party.html
And if those rumors are true about him being on the remix of Birthday Cake.. just wow. She’s gonna lose my sympathy in a heartbeat if she gets back with him. Please dont do it RiRi!
I’m not even going to call what Chris Brown did a “mistake” because that’s a fallacy unto itself. He has anger, rage and violence issues that he needs to address. I personally choose to try and allow everyone to move on and hope for the best for all involved. I still like his music, some people may disagree with that simply because of his actions, but I am still trying to separate personal and public life for the betterment of all. I just find it unnecessary that whenever there’s a story about Brown the villagers come with their pitchforks. This blog in particular may as well change its name to brownshoulddie.com for all the negative attention it gives Chris. Which it is perfectly within Trent’s right to do so. But instead of spending all of this time attacking Chris why not in it’s place put up information on how to prevent domestic violence and how people can help those that had been affected, I think that would be a great solution. And it shares positivity instead of negativity. Let me know if I’m crazy.
Would Mr. Ehrlich be so forgiving if Chris Brown had assaulted his daughter, his sister, his niece, etc? I highly doubt it.
I did not watch the Grammys because he was performing, and I can’t believe they gave him an award. How disgusting!
@Amanda — “Would Mr. Ehrlich be so forgiving if Chris Brown had assaulted his daughter, his sister, his niece, etc?” Exactly.
I think this point has already been made here by several others, but I just want to add my voice to it as well: The entire reason that people are so unwilling to forgive Chris Brown is that he has done absolutely NOTHING to improve himself since the incident. NOTHING. He has been downright UNrepentant about it all. If he had HUMBLED himself from the beginning and gone to get help and made a REAL effort to CHANGE himself, then I think we would all be quite willing to give him a second chance. But NO, instead he just waltzes around acting like his problems are everyone ELSE’s fault but his. Second chances have to be EARNED. He has put forth exactly ZERO effort to deserve one.
And then he STILL does sh*t like throwing chairs through windows at talk show studios!! And all the sycophants surrounding him who need him for the paycheck, as well as all his idiotic fans, are telling him he’s the greatest guy in the world, on an hourly basis. And then he gets rewarded with Grammys. The guy is totally DELUSIONAL and it’s no freaking WONDER, when everyone around him is telling him everything he wants to hear about what a “great guy” he is, and he’s being rewarded with Grammys and t.v. appearances to boot!! Disgusting.
Gonna try to break this comment up, maybe it’s too long – I think this point has already been made here by several others, but I just want to add my voice to it as well: The entire reason that people are so unwilling to forgive Chris Brown is that he has done absolutely NOTHING to improve himself since the incident. NOTHING. He has been downright UNrepentant about it all. If he had HUMBLED himself from the beginning and gone to get help and made a REAL effort to CHANGE himself, then I think we would all be quite willing to give him a second chance. But NO, instead he just waltzes around acting like his problems are everyone ELSE’s fault but his. Second chances have to be EARNED. He has put forth exactly ZERO effort to deserve one.
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I’m all for forgiveness but its hard to move past what he did because he makes/made it sooooo obvious that he is not truly sorry and just doesn’t get it. If he was, he would not still be catergorizing anyone who still has issues with what he did as “haters” Its sooo much bigger and more complex than that. He’s just so dumb and inarticulate, he just constantly makes matters worse for himself. Had he pleaded guilty, apologized and accepted responsibility for himself and his actions, folks would be more open.
I don’t want to comment on forgiving Chris Brown or whether not Chris Brown deserved a Grammy. I don’t think a constant three year rehash of past events should be the focus right now,before jumping down my throat, let me explain why.. I do want to comment on the “rumors” of him and Rihanna rekindling their friendship/romance/working relationship – whatever it may be. Reps for Chris Brown have stated that not everyone was required to sign a NDA at Rihanna’s bday party, just those working or taking pics/video. So,he was there. Now unless (although very unlikely) he was invited completely out of the blue after three years of not speaking or having any contact with her at all, I think we can safely say these two have been in contact for at least some amount of time. A year? Who knows maybe less, maybe more. For those two to go through the hassle of NDAs to spend time together at a private party and to have possibly recorded a song together, speaks to the importance they feel towards staying in each others lives. It would be my hope that if they do choose to again become involved romantically (if they aren’t already )that they will seek counseling and that neither of them will commit any act of violence against the other. That is my hope. But, if you can step away from the lynch mob mentality for two seconds and consider that if any further abuse were to happen,because of this constant Chris Brown is the devil commentary, SHE would most likely never report it in fear of the world wide collective “we told you so”. I find their attempts at concealing their present relationship, whatever that may be, to be an indication of that. I don’t think as it has been stated here over and over that Chris Brown is very concerned about redeeming himself to YOU or I, he is however working to redeem himself to her and that may be all we will ever get to see. Although many of you are not, I am personally ok with that. Hating CB will not cure domestic violence and if you haven’t noticed, he seems to be getting by, getting the girl and getting a Grammy despite the hate. Watching someone you hate succeed is infuriating, no doubt. Just my thoughts, but like I said, I hope they are able to grow past this and do what makes them happy. Also- I found Miranda Lambert’s “needs to be put back in his place” comment horribly racist and offensive. Then to insinuate he should listen to her song which insinuates that violence cures violence in an attempt to speak out about her hatred of violence????
well said. couldn’t agree more.
i LOVE miranda lambert — she’s one of my biggest girl crushes and i felt the same way in terms of her comments leaning in the direction of racism.