Comments on: California Will Not Stand For Discrimination

By: mr. miamipcrepairs

mr. miamipcrepairs — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:47:59 +0000

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By: bubblegum

bubblegum — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:36:50 +0000

I guess Prop 8 makes me think of 2004, when Alabama voted by a slight majority to retain segregation language from the Alabama constitution. (In their defense, the language was un-enforced and their was a seriously misleading campaign about the prop)

Ultimately, these measures get turned around in the supreme court, because they are bullt out of hate and intolerance and inequality.

I hope that someday we have a word as strong as “racist” to describe people who are opposed to gay people’s equal rights. When you label someone as a racist, we can all generally agree that they are ignorant and not to be taken seriously. “Homophobic” just doesn’t have that same sense yet. Well, in a perfect world…we won’t need either of those words. :) You know the real irony? I am a straight female who is in a loooong term relationship with a man and I have no interest in marriage. Heterosexual couples did a great job of making it meaningless to me through the high divorce rate. No offense to people who personally value your marriages and honor them-just not for me! And I want every consensual adult to have that right if they value it.

By: mmaagg

mmaagg — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:32:34 +0000

I honestly believe that there were enough people to lazy to read the actual details of the proposition that caused the result. I had to correct a few people that “Yes on 8″ was the BAN and not the other way around… they were confused… they weren’t paying attention. I think there were enough of these types to make the unfortunate difference.

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By: Ella

Ella — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:10:11 +0000

MARRIAGE IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION
what the hell is wrong with everybody?? so non-religious straight people aren’t allowed to get married? they have to call it something else? right…
FUCK selective memories make me mad. it’s called separation of church and state people… we can’t tell churches they have to marry gay people and churches sure as hell shouldn’t be telling us who can/can’t get married outside the church. everyone who is opposing gay marriage now is going to be pretty fucking embarrassed a few years down the road when society realizes what a horrible mistake it’s making.

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By: bp

bp — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:26:16 +0000

Bekkie: sometimes I don’t understand the US either. I think the problem here is the Supreme Court (federal not state) said that this issue is a state matter, they won’t touch it. The California leaders said no, the state Supreme Court said yes, so some people said let’s vote. It was voted on and according to the democratic process. If the group that should be deeming something unconstitutional says the states should decide, I don’t see how the majority of people can be “wrong/stupid/unconstitutional” when they were only doing what they should be doing as a member of a democratic system. The only thing that is being accomplished right now is more fracturing of a people. Both side are screaming “I’m right.” I think that some people need to stop demeaning people for voting the way they have an established right to and put that effort into convincing the Supreme Court to hear the case. The attacks on each other need to stop- no one deserves to have their vote dismissed just because the other side doesn’t agree.

By: Bekkie

Bekkie — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:12:18 +0000

and if this same thing happened in 2000.. and then the supreme court over-ruled it… won’t that just happen again.. and then it will be a never-ending circle of voting and overturning? it seems redundant and a waste of money…

and on the other hand.. if ‘California still has a “domestic partners” law that gives same-sex couples the same rights and benefits as married spouses.’ then I really fail to see the big issue here… is the fight strictly over the term ‘marriage’? can’t you just use it anyway? it’s just a word…

you neighbours are so confusing…

By: Bekkie

Bekkie — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:07:18 +0000

bp: I understand what you’re saying.. I just don’t understand why something like this is voted for in an election by the public. I completely understand people voting based on their beliefs.. that’s obviously how people vote, but why does society have the ability to vote on how others live their life? if (for example) a state that had high polygamy rates, would a group of individuals be able to get the signatures, put together a proposition.. and if 51% of people said ‘yes we like polygamy’ would that state then make it legal to marry multiple people? or under-age marriage in the same scenario? – it’s just different up here in the great white north, so I’m attempting to comprehend the extent of what these propositions can do

By: bp

bp — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:43:49 +0000

My argument is not against two consenting adults choosing to live their lives however they choose. My argument is against the blanket statement of: personal beliefs should not get in the way of someone else living their life. How else do choose to vote but for your freakin beliefs? Take bugglegum who qualifies his/her statement with: you can’t legislate them if they take away rights that other Americans have. You don’t bekkie.

By: Joanne

Joanne — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:35:06 +0000

V says “we can’t expect so much change to happen at once” – YES WE CAN … exactly how many decades have to pass before America gets it?? Until discrimination of people because of their gender or sexuality are dealt with, I firmly believe USA will not begin to solve the problems it needs to solve. Get on with it America, and stop being dictated to by self serving church groups (who don’t even pay taxes).

By: Bekkie

Bekkie — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:30:40 +0000

bp: there’s a huge difference between 2 full grown adults making a decision in their life, and an adult exploiting a child… I understand the point you are trying to make, but I just don’t see that as a viable comparison..

By: bp

bp — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:21:32 +0000

“Expressing personal beliefs and opinions and enforcing them as law are 2 completely different things.” “personal beliefs should not get in the way of someone else living their life ”

Do you mean that across the board or in just this one instance? Any one here oppose sex between a grown man or a woman and 12 year old of either gender)?
You know what, you are right….I have no place to think that it would be wrong. My personal beliefs about underage sex (and all those pesky laws too) are just getting in the way of that man living his life how he wants to.

By: Bekkie

Bekkie — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:13:40 +0000

I understand it differently.. to me it says that personal beliefs should not get in the way of someone else living their life – just because 51% of people think that Marriage between 2 people of the same sex is wrong.. doesn’t make it so – expressing personal beliefs and opinions and enforcing them as law are 2 completely different things.. that’s just my take… IMHO. I still can’t believe something like this was voted on during a time when the economy is in the toilet and people are dying overseas in a needless war… boggles my mind…

By: bp

bp — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:43:43 +0000

I get that bubblegum, my beef is not with you. Call me pedantic, I’m just commenting on Trent’s earlier statement: “if you choose to believe something is so then good for you, you have that right. YOUR beliefs should have no bearing on anyone else — period.” Notice there is no argument about taking away freedoms, just saying no beliefs at all. But then he goes on to comment: “One can still believe in heterosexual marriage AND equal rights for all. While I believe that same-sex couples have the right to marry that doesn’t mean that I believe that heterosexual couples should not be allowed to marry.”
This is exactly what supporters of equality are fighting AGAINST. In one breath it is “you can’t have a belief if has any bearing on any one else” and the next “but listen to my beliefs because they matter.” Does that sound like equality to you?
Again, I have not stated my position on this matter. I have never said I am a proponent of taking away anyone’s rights…people just need to take a step back and think. In an issue like this people very easily become zealots (yes even non Christians can be zealots) and common sense goes out the window.

By: Bubblegum

Bubblegum — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:41:25 +0000

“Oh, but you can’t have any beliefs that may affect another person!”

You can have beliefs. By all means, have your own beliefs… but, you can’t legislate them if they take away rights that other Americans have. By banning gay marriage, it is TAKING AWAY a right that other Americans are entitled to, which is unbalanced and unconstitutional.

By: Rienne

Rienne — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:38:04 +0000

wow…..^

By: bp

bp — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:03:02 +0000

“One can still believe in heterosexual marriage AND equal rights for all. While I believe that same-sex couples have the right to marry that doesn’t mean that I believe that heterosexual couples should not be allowed to marry — the two are not mutually exclusive. It couldn’t be more plain and simple.”

Oh, but you can’t have any beliefs that may affect another person!

By: Rosie

Rosie — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:44:24 +0000

I posted some (low quality) video from last night.. Tila Tequila meeting people and yelling from her car – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hpgHj5ItCQ – and some raw footage of the march overwhelming my camera’s microphone with noise – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AU1tqfILhQ . I hope anyone else with better video uploads theirs!!!

By: Bekkie

Bekkie — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:38:32 +0000

me: That’s exactly the problem, that it’s the extremists that are pushing for things like that, and so that’s all people remember – I’m not a christian (anymore) I don’t believe in organized religion – but I do believe there’s something else out there.. (completely off topic..) anyway..

the core values that Jesus preached are wonderful, (loving your neighbour, honoring your parents, living positively and with meaning, etc) but I think that a lot of people forget that Jesus didn’t write the bible, it was written and twisted by people years and years after he had died.. it had already become fable and rumor by the time it was written down, and then translated numerous times to fit whatever church/religion wanted it to truly say. It was also written 1800+ years ago, so much of what was written has no bearing on life now… how there are people that truly believe Homosexuals are going to hell because of how they live their life, and how ‘god’ made them…. I will never understand – most extremists have never actually read the bible, they take quotes and twist it to suit their purpose. I just agree with Amy that in order for positive change to happen, there has to be constructive conversation between all parties.. and the extremists should be ignored.. because they want to make people angry, and I think that some post just to stir the pot.. it might not even be what they really feel – but they find it humerous to make others mad..

By: bp

bp — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:37:23 +0000

No I don’t expect people to give up fighting. I just wish that they would stop placing the blame on the California voters. It was the Supreme Court who said it was a state issue. Now there is one group saying “well, it shouldn’t be a state issue and the vote shouldn’t count even though I voted.”

By: Rienne

Rienne — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:29:22 +0000

bp – do you honestly expect people to just say “Oh…well tough luck on us…let’s give up now.”

If people did this…we would still have slavery, we would still have women being unable to vote…hell, many men still wouldn’t be allowed to vote. Animal cruelty wouldn’t be deemed inappropriate, colonization would still be the ‘white mans burden’, and the Pope would still rule with an iron fist.

By: me

me — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:25:18 +0000

Amy and Bekkle: I respect your point about how many Christians DO believe in equal rights and justice, as Jesus preached. The problem is, we never SEE this viewpoint. When religious/Christian groups enter into the political fray, it’s almost always to ban gay marriage, make abortion illegal, and other far right-wing agenda points. So, can you blame us for lumping all of you together on those issues? Sorry though. I will try to remember that there are a lot of Christians who do believe in the value that Jesus preached, just as the majority of Muslims in the world are not crazy fanatics either….

By: bp

bp — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:11:21 +0000

Anyone else confused? I mean there was all this money pumped into campaigning people to Vote No on Proposition 8. People then went and voted (i.e. participated in the democratic process). And when things didn’t go their way, they want to stomp their feet and say “this issue shouldn’t even have been dealt with in a way that I myself participated in.”